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How much power has Gallagher got regards matchmaking?

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#1 ·
We have seen it so many times where joe Gallagher states his man won't face lundy/fielding/Murray/selby because they are past them or close to a title shot so don't need them.

I know it's been said that he used this tactic to push up the payday for Antony crolla and so effectively himself with John Murray,but on others he categorically states his man won't be fighting the expected opponent,much to the bemusement of Eddie Hearn who looked dumbfounded on Saturday night in the Callum smith interview,as well he might when the biggest 2 scouse derbys around have been talked down and dismissed by Gallagher and Paul smith.

Now Gallagher has a winning run of 50 odd fights at the moment and some were tough fights,quigg-Munroe,smith-buckland etc.

So does he have a say as I believe he is also manages his fighters as well,or can Hearn overrule him and say 'no,crolla is fighting lundy'
 
#2 ·
Because let's face it,he must be an absolute bastard to work alongside.very accomplished trainer who is improving rapidly but so stubborn and if he thinks he is acting in the best interests of his fighters then fair enough.

But avoiding rocky fielding,is not in the best interests of Callum smith,that just smacks of Gallagher being a pain and flexing his muscles.

Perhaps Hearn will get tired of this,bear in mind gallaghers stable is now nearly all with Hearn.
 
#5 ·
If he's the manager as well of course he's got the right to turn down opponents. That's the nature of the role.
But shooting down Hearn isn't being helpful,he has potentially done it twice now in a week,that's if lundy was who Hearn wanted for crolla.

I can see he is looking out for his lads,but he should be working with Hearn not against him.
 
#7 ·
But shooting down Hearn isn't being helpful,he has potentially done it twice now in a week,that's if lundy was who Hearn wanted for crolla.

I can see he is looking out for his lads,but he should be working with Hearn not against him.
I agree with him on this one. Risk/reward it doesn't add up.

Surely Hearn should be discussing opponents with Crolla's manager (if Gallagher is, and if this is what's happened) before making offers.
 
#8 ·
Anybody see why it would hurt Callum smitb to fight rocky fielding?

It's one fight and one camp,world aspirations can surely be put on hold.and it will be his first main event and first scheduled 12 rounder.good buisness all round in my opinion.
 
#9 ·
I agree with him on this one. Risk/reward it doesn't add up.

Surely Hearn should be discussing opponents with Crolla's manager (if Gallagher is, and if this is what's happened) before making offers.
Yeah and Hearn does know how to charm a camera unlike joe.

I agree that lundy doesn't make sense but I want to see it.
 
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#10 ·
If Gallagher comes out and says "We want to fight Rocky Fielding. Thats the only fight we want next!" I would imagine a significantly lower purse will be offered than if Gallagher comes out and says "We don't want that fight". It worked for the Crolla v Murray fight.

Gallagher appears to take on some of the managment capacitys for his fighters in the same way Adam Booth & Gary Locket do, not sure if its in an official capacity. Hearn also does the same thing, performing many roles that would be traditional for the manager. This allows him to pay fighters less than Warren in some instances, but they still make more as they are not losing 25%+ to a manager. Crolla, The Smiths, Johnson, Burton, Quigg are all self managed.

For what its worth, when I spoke to Hearn it came across that Fielding would be the one stopping that fight.

I think its a good fight for Smiths profile, but in terms of learning to be a world class fighter, no so sure.
 
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#11 ·
I agree with him on this one. Risk/reward it doesn't add up.

Surely Hearn should be discussing opponents with Crolla's manager (if Gallagher is, and if this is what's happened) before making offers.
I think a promoter will tend to go and find a selection of opponents and then they take that to the manager/fighter/trainer and they pick one.

With prospects they will often have 2/3 fighters who are activley training for the fight and the will pick the opponent based on how the prospect looks in sparring.
 
#12 ·
If Gallagher comes out and says "We want to fight Rocky Fielding. Thats the only fight we want next!" I would imagine a significantly lower purse will be offered than if Gallagher comes out and says "We don't want that fight". It worked for the Crolla v Murray fight.

Gallagher appears to take on some of the managment capacitys for his fighters in the same way Adam Booth & Gary Locket do, not sure if its in an official capacity. Hearn also does the same thing, performing many roles that would be traditional for the manager. This allows him to pay fighters less than Warren in some instances, but they still make more as they are not losing 25%+ to a manager. Crolla, The Smiths, Johnson, Burton, Quigg are all self managed.

For what its worth, when I spoke to Hearn it came across that Fielding would be the one stopping that fight.

I think its a good fight for Smiths profile, but in terms of learning to be a world class fighter, no so sure.
I see your points there and Gallagher would be great to have on your side,very loyal and knows the buisness inside out.

I just can't be sure that Callum's next opponent will be better than fielding,also fighting a man with nearly as big as,or equal a reach as yourself has to be beneficial.
 
#15 ·
When Smith gets smashed, I think he'll try and win his belt outright v Fielding
This would be great,but I think if he gets smashed then he retires.he didn't bounce back immediately from degale or groves and I can't see him starting it now.

He has the punditry,and all the moaning about Jim watt could lead to us seeing a new co commentator,smith would be one of the favourites for the job,in fact the only thing holding him back is his ties with Callum and Stephen (he has commentated on Stephen before).
 
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#16 ·
This would be great,but I think if he gets smashed then he retires.he didn't bounce back immediately from degale or groves and I can't see him starting it now.

He has the punditry,and all the moaning about Jim watt could lead to us seeing a new co commentator,smith would be one of the favourites for the job,in fact the only thing holding him back is his ties with Callum and Stephen (he has commentated on Stephen before).
He wants the lonsdale for his kid doesn't he.
 
#17 ·
He wants the lonsdale for his kid doesn't he.
A pummeling off Abraham may make him decide the best thing he could do for his kid is be in good health long term.
 
#22 ·
He's overrated as a trainer imo, he's never produced one fighter proven at world level yet, not one world champion. I hope his arrogance declines once Paul and Stephen Smith are found out badly at World level, and Crolla. I can't stand mouthy trainers not your place to talk down about other fighters, he does it contently talking shit about other fighters Frampton, Murray, Fielding ect. For a man who's achieved so little he sure has an ego at the minute he's produced nothing more then fighters who've done well at domestic level. He will cost his own fighters due to his ego, why didn't he throw in the towel for Murray against Rios? Stopping his fighters from getting themselves the money fights, i hope he does what's best for the likes of the Smiths and Crolla if their taking a beating i hope his ego isn't to big and he pulls his guys out.
 
#23 ·
He's overrated as a trainer imo, he's never produced one fighter proven at world level yet, not one world champion. I hope his arrogance declines once Paul and Stephen Smith are found out badly at World level, and Crolla. I can't stand mouthy trainers not your place to talk down about other fighters, he does it contently talking shit about other fighters Frampton, Murray, Fielding ect. For a man who's achieved so little he sure has an ego at the minute he's produced nothing more then fighters who've done well at domestic level. He will cost his own fighters due to his ego, why didn't he throw in the towel for Murray against Rios? Stopping his fighters from getting themselves the money fights, i hope he does what's best for the likes of the Smiths and Crolla if their taking a beating i hope his ego isn't to big and he pulls his guys out.
Scott Quigg?! What the fuck are you on about not one world champion? ;)
 
#24 ·
Scott Quigg?! What the fuck are you on about not one world champion? ;)
funnily enough even if you counted the Regular belt as a world title Quigg still wouldn't be a world champion, seen as he drew with Salinas. Anyway i get your joking and on the wind up seriously though he's never taken a fighter to world level yet has a bigger ego then Freddie Roach.
 
#25 ·
funnily enough even if you counted the Regular belt as a world title Quigg still wouldn't be a world champion, seen as he drew with Salinas. Anyway i get your joking and on the wind up seriously though he's never taken a fighter to world level yet has a bigger ego then Freddie Roach.
I used to get annoyed by the Sky interviews with him at the end of a fight but now I can almost know what he says beforehand