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#521 ·
Zopilote said:
I've always believed that if Puas was as disciplined as say Salvador Sanchez, he would easily be the Mexican GOAT, and possibly the Latino GOAT.
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With that said, anything less than a 100% Olivares and he gets stopped by Zarate.

To be honest, the pre-Rudkin prime Puas is the only Olivares that can be confidently picked over Z-Machine.

Plenty of those forgotten names on the pre-80's mexican greats' resumes are not researched or don't even have a correct boxrec page.

Hence it's easy for someone who's isn't willing to learn to dismiss them as cab drivers.

Like for example Rodolfo Martinez from whom Zarate won the title.

He obviously had skills, had good wins on his record, was a really fine champion.
And yet totally unknown.

Flea posted a short footage of R.Martinez's stoppage of a mexican journeyman Juan Meza (again, with some notable wins) and Rodolfo looks pretty impressive in there:

By the way, Saldivar, Olivares, Zarate, Sanchez, Chavez, G.Roman - all of them were P4P#1 fighters (or very close to it).

The new generation - Morales, Barrera, Marquez - continued the tradition of fighting at the highest level.
Even if they weren't as talented.

And now we have this as the face of Mexican boxing...
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#522 ·
Lester1583 said:
With that said, anything less than a 100% Olivares and he gets stopped by Zarate.

To be honest, the pre-Rudkin prime Puas is the only Olivares that can be confidently picked over Z-Machine.

Plenty of those forgotten names on the pre-80's mexican greats' resumes are not researched or don't even have a correct boxrec page.

Hence it's easy for someone who's isn't willing to learn to dismiss them as cab drivers.

Like for example Rodolfo Martinez from whom Zarate won the title.

He obviously had skills, had good wins on his record, was a really fine champion.
And yet totally unknown.

Flea posted a short footage of R.Martinez's stoppage of a mexican journeyman Juan Meza (again, with some notable wins) and Rodolfo looks pretty impressive in there:

By the way, Saldivar, Olivares, Zarate, Sanchez, Chavez, G.Roman - all of them were P4P#1 fighters (or very close to it).

The new generation - Morales, Barrera, Marquez - continued the tradition of fighting at the highest level.
Even if they weren't as talented.

And now we have this as the face of Mexican boxing...
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Pretty embarrassing what it has come to isn't it?

Good thing Mexico still has the likes of Estrada and Vargas around, who have shown they can channel some the Mexican greats of the past.

And yeh I agree about Ruben having to be at his absolute best to beat a peak Zarate.

I would confidently pick the Puas of the Rose fight. That version of Olivares would beat the shit out of and make Canelo his bitch despite being outweighed by about 50lbs :deal
 
#523 ·
Zopilote said:
Pretty embarrassing what it has come to isn't it?
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It's embarrassing for any fighter.

But Alvarez isn't just any fighter.

He's a Mexican fighter.

It's like Brazil in football, Dagestan in wrestling or USA in baseball.

It's more than just a sport.

There are certain standards.

Balls of steel are a must, in case of Mexican boxing.

Otherwise you can shove your titles up your protected ass.

Zopilote said:
Good thing Mexico still has the likes of Estrada and Vargas around, who have shown they can channel some the Mexican greats of the past.
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CongressManny tried to poison and frame El Bandido - sent contaminated burritos as a sign of fake friendship.
Evil Midget - he's still mad.

Estrada is a legit two belt champ and nobody is challenging him.
He's going the Marquez route.

Nietes' record vs Mexians is 14-0, by the way.
This is almost as insulting as Alvarez's situation.
Somebody has to do something about it.
JMM should go down in weight and KO this Pacdget.
 
#524 ·
Lester1583 said:
It's embarrassing for any fighter.

But Alvarez isn't just any fighter.

He's a Mexican fighter.

It's like Brazil in football, Dagestan in wrestling or USA in baseball.

It's more than just a sport.

There are certain standards.

Balls of steel are a must, in case of Mexican boxing.

Otherwise you can shove your titles up your protected ass.

CongressManny tried to poison and frame El Bandido - sent contaminated burritos as a sign of fake friendship.
Evil Midget - he's still mad.

Estrada is a legit two belt champ and nobody is challenging him.
He's going the Marquez route.

Nietes' record vs Mexians is 14-0, by the way.
This is almost as insulting as Alvarez's situation.
Somebody has to do something about it.
JMM should go down in weight and KO this Pacdget.
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Estrada is the perfect hombre to go against Nietes, as he's a Filipino killer himself. After the Roman fight, that's the fight I want the most for Estrada.
 
Discussion starter · #525 ·
Lester1583 said:
Nietes' record vs Mexians is 14-0, by the way.
This is almost as insulting as Alvarez's situation.
Somebody has to do something about it.
JMM should go down in weight and KO this Pacdget.
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:lol:

Nietes is probably angling for a fight with that Nicaraguan 4 lbs north.

That guy is embarassing every nation. Someone better stand up to him. Even Estrada's balls of steel isn't up to par.

Casimero also wants to try his luck. If Sugar Amnat cannot handle the power, the Roman will not either.
 
#526 ·
#527 ·
Lester1583 said:
The only list that matters.

Top 10 Latino fighters from Olivares:

Originally posted by William Fernando Souza Bezerra.

@Hands of Iron @turbotime @Pedderrs
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Seeing Arguello in Ruben's list reminded me...I was watching Ruben's fight against Arguello the other day again..Puas made more than a good account of himself in that, despite being the smaller, older fighter with plenty of mileage against the bigger, younger, fresher Alexis. How did you have that fight before the stoppage, Lester??
 
#532 ·
Zopilote said:
How did you have that fight before the stoppage, Lester??
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Arguello - Olivares demonstrates both fighters' strenghts and weaknesses.

How immense was Olivares' talent, how indomitable was Arguello.

@Flea Man used to say that Olivares could only fight one way or the other.
He was wrong as usual, of course.

In this fight Olivares did exactly that - switched between styles - from a moving boxer-puncher to a pressuring aggressor.

Interestingly enough, Olivares' biggest success came from crowding F.Mercury.

Yes, Puas was winning the fight.

Actually not looking much worse than that runner Marcel, @Hands of Iron .

And that was an outsized Olivares at the end of his career.

Was an excellent performance before he got caught with an innocuous-looking extremely short counter left hook.

Such was the power of Arguello.

They are twins with Zarate, aside from Z-Machine being better technically and a couple of minor differences, but what separates him from the Mexican is Arguello's fortitude - both mental and physical - impossible to dent.

Olivares didn't look completely out - he's just had enough - can't blame him - but he was prone to such things.

A classic passing of the torch fight, @Bogotazo
 
#533 ·
Lester1583 said:
Arguello - Olivares demonstrates both fighters' strenghts and weaknesses.

How immense was Olivares' talent, how indomitable was Arguello.

@Flea Man used to say that Olivares could only fight one way or the other.
He was wrong as usual, of course.

In this fight Olivares did exactly that - switched between styles - from a moving boxer-puncher to a pressuring aggressor.

Interestingly enough, Olivares' biggest success came from crowding F.Mercury.

Yes, Puas was winning the fight.

Actually not looking much worse than that runner Marcel, @Hands of Iron .

And that was an outsized Olivares at the end of his career.

Was an excellent performance before he got caught with an innocuous-looking extremely short counter left hook.

Such was the power of Arguello.

They are twins with Zarate, aside from Z-Machine being better technically and a couple of minor differences, but what separates him from the Mexican is Arguello's fortitude - both mental and physical - impossible to dent.

Olivares didn't look completely out - he's just had enough - can't blame him - but he was prone to such things.

A classic passing of the torch fight, @Bogotazo
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Yeh Olivares was actually beating the shit out of Arguello on the inside, and would beautifully slip alot of his shots up close. That short counter left hook that dropped Ruben shook him up, but he still went out there and tried to bang with Alexis. He was done after that right uppercut that dropped him.
 
#534 ·
#539 · (Edited)
sugarshane_24 said:
Educate me mate.
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Nazarov injured his eye (detached retina) in 1994.

It didn't cure properly but he continued fighting.

He got shot in the arm in 1997.

In preparation for Mendy he couldn't see out one of his eyes.

Orzubek didn't postpone the fight.

He went half blind after 3 rounds.

Said to his trainer between rounds: "I can't see out of my left eye. I'm half blind."
Trainer asked him: "What are we going to do now?"
Orzubek's answer was: "Nothing. We'll keep on fighting".

Numerous post fight surgeries weren't successful.

Nazarov retired.

His favourite fighter was Leonard, @Hands of Iron
 
Discussion starter · #540 ·
Lester1583 said:
Nazarov injured his eye (detached retina) in 1994.

It didn't cure properly but he continued fighting.

He got shot in the arm in 1997.

In preparation for Mendy he couldn't see out one of his eyes.

Orzubek didn't postpone the fight.

He went half blind after 3 rounds.

Said to his trainer between rounds: "I can't see out of my left eye. I'm half blind."
Trainer asked him: "What are we going to do now?"
Orzubek's answer was: "Nothing. We'll keep on fighting".

Numerous post fight surgeries weren't successful.

Nazarov retired.

His favourite fighter was Leonard, @Hands of Iron
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Sheesh, you mean to tell me Nazarov is half blind to this day?

:(
 
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