[dominus]

Ad hominem ad nauseam. Still waiting for the day when someone will address the fight instead of me. The people on here aren't embarrassing themselves, you need some sort of intelligence and self-awareness for that to be possible. I'm embarrassed for you, don't worry.

Post your round by round scorecard or STFU.

 

[Bob Weaver]

I pointed out that you don't know anything about boxing, you mentioned no punches being landed, I mentioned compubox claiming that 50 punches were landed by Teo in that round alone... you can't even put that together?
My compubox mention was more for other people who act as if there was some unanimous, objective version of scoring that fight. I don't care what you have to say, I was just pointing to you as an example of someone who is part of the majority (people who are clueless about the sport). Thanks for being here to prove my point.

Out of interest, who do you think isn't clueless about boxing.

You've previously said that boxing judges, boxing commentators, pro boxers, amateur boxers, and boxing fans can't score pro fights properly.

Whose opinion do you value?

 

[chibelle]

I pointed out that you don't know anything about boxing, you mentioned no punches being landed, I mentioned compubox claiming that 50 punches were landed by Teo in that round alone... you can't even put that together?
My compubox mention was more for other people who act as if there was some unanimous, objective version of scoring that fight. I don't care what you have to say, I was just pointing to you as an example of someone who is part of the majority (people who are clueless about the sport). Thanks for being here to prove my point.

Wut??
You wanted a feedback on round 12 on how people score it for Teo. I have you my take. Now you don't care? Why ask for it then? Wtf.
isn't your turn to explain how you score round 12 for Loma?

 

[on the hook]

Where is your RBR scorecard @Dealt_with ? You are the one contesting the result. Yet you offer nothing.

 

[Super_Fly_Sam]

Do you realise how dumb I reveal myself to be by saying Loma won?

Fixed that one for you

 

[tco]

I can't believe that idiot is back trying to argue Loma won. How long is it going to take him to get over Loma's loss?

 

[steviebruno]

I don't bring this up, go back and have a look. I give this fight no thought until it's dragged up on here. I don't care to see him fight again, I think he should retire.

He suffered from being ducked and dodged, from being too humble to be a loudmouth for promoters... so he found himself on the wrong end of a decision from a young mouthy fighter he clearly beat. He's the best ever based on amateur career alone, as I've always said. The fact that he still set records as a pro in three divisions, with all the ducking and corruption of the pro game...
The greatness of a fighter comes in imitation and influence. Look at all the up and comers who have and will imitate Lomachenko.

The up and comers are Mayweather clones. Teo beat Loma with fast twitch lead hand dominance; 130-135 Floyd would have had a field day with Loma off of that alone, and this is even before Floyd's other attributes are factored in. I already told you that. Loma isn't fast twitch and can't counter off the backfoot. He's nothing like the guys coming up behind him. He's a genius level swarmer, but those swarmer types of guys can be dealt with... pun intended, and it's now happened twice in 16 fights.

I don't think he's what you think he is, but he still has a chance to prove otherwise. Retire now and he's just an afterthought in the pro game. He pretty much is already...

 

[on the hook]

Apparently I'm not the only one.. I didn't really look at anything after the fight because I didn't care. Crawford had it a draw, Atlas etc.

You are trying to argue Loma won and the best you can offer is Crawford and Atlas scoring it a draw?

Atlas scored the 12th round to Lopez incidently. As did anyone with two eyes.

 

[Bob Weaver]

I think Loma might be on the slide now.

Lots of great fights at lightweight if he still wants to prove himself. (Lopez, Garcia, Tank, Haney). I think all those guys have a real shot at beating him now.

Think he probably goes down though. Not as many great fights there, but I could see him fighting the Herring - Frampton winner, then the Berchelt - Valdez winner.

Very winnable fights against solid names.

There are some good fighters coming through as well. Shakur Stevenson for one.

 

[LondonSkylines]

Loma is outsized for the weight, by guys who have evolved and watched his style.

Loma's feet and ability to react in the pocket are all traits that tend to go with age. When you mix this in with the reality that he's not natural at 135, you're asking for trouble.

Lopez backed him up substantially in the early rounds. The sheer difference in rehydrated weight showed in the first few rounds (shoulder problems or not). Can he take Tank's power at guys who are more natural at 140? No.

 

[LondonSkylines]

Apparently I'm not the only one.. I didn't really look at anything after the fight because I didn't care. Crawford had it a draw, Atlas etc.
So why are people on here appealing to authority and acting as if I'm the only one?

This is Wilder glove gate conspiracy shit, sorry.

 

[steviebruno]

I think Loma might be on the slide now.

Lots of great fights at lightweight if he still wants to prove himself. (Lopez, Garcia, Tank, Haney). I think all those guys have a real shot at beating him now.

Think he probably goes down though. Not as many great fights there, but I could see him fighting the Herring - Frampton winner, then the Berchelt - Valdez winner.

Very winnable fights against solid names.

There are some good fighters coming through as well. Shakur Stevenson for one.

He could possibly be on the slide, but we won't know that until he goes back down in caliber of opposition. He boiled down to 126, IMO, and is probably a natural 130. Still, look how elite guys like Floyd, Manny, and JMM remained, even as they aged and moved up in weight. Pac just beat Keith Thurman at age 40 and Lomachenko is supposed to be comparable, right?

He's a swarmer and his style doesn't quite work as well when he can't physically bully his opponent around the ring. It's a lot more simple than you might think.

 

[paloalto00]

I'll stick to my guns and say the shoulder was the issue in this fight. It's a shame if we don't see a rematch

 

[Bob Weaver]

He could possibly be on the slide, but we won't know that until he goes back down in caliber of opposition. He boiled down to 126, IMO, and is probably a natural 130. Still, look how elite guys like Floyd, Manny, and JMM remained, even as they aged and moved up in weight. Pac just beat Keith Thurman at age 40 and Lomachenko is supposed to be comparable, right?

He's a swarmer and his style doesn't quite work as well when he can't physically bully his opponent around the ring. It's a lot more simple than you might think.

It could be both though?

I think he is on the slide because he's looked jaded for a while now and he's been picking up a lot of injuries. These long amateur careers can really take it out of fighters.

But, he also has limitations like any fighter, and there are tough fights for him at 135. Might be they are just too big and too good for him.

His next few fights will tell us a lot.

 

[REDC]

I think Loma might be on the slide now.

His face aged 15 years in 3 years time. I don't what happened with him :lol:
Maybe his skin isn't used to the SoCal sun or something?

Loma is outsized for the weight, by guys who have evolved and watched his style.

Loma's feet and ability to react in the pocket are all traits that tend to go with age. When you mix this in with the reality that he's not natural at 135, you're asking for trouble.

Lopez backed him up substantially in the early rounds. The sheer difference in rehydrated weight showed in the first few rounds (shoulder problems or not). Can he take Tank's power at guys who are more natural at 140? No.

Last week Teo said he's moving up after 1 or 2 more fights, go figure.

 

[REDC]

Loma isn't fast twitch

Commit suicide.

 

[Bob Weaver]

His face aged 15 years in 3 years time. I don't what happened with him :lol:
Maybe his skin isn't used to the SoCal sun or something?

Last week Teo said he's moving up after 1 or 2 more fights, go figure.

Yeah, he seems to be ageing really quickly.

He's not tiny, 5'7 I think, but he looks short, and short guys mature and age quicker.

He's also had a long hard career at amateur. Loads of fights, lots more weight cutting than you need in the pros. That burns a lot of guys out, and he looks jaded as hell and he's picking up more injuries.

I really hope this puts a fire under him though, and he really proves himself over the next few years.

I've heard Lopez say that a few times now. 1 or 2 more fights then head up to 140 to face the Taylor Ramirez winner.

Said he wasn't 100% against Loma and it might be partly due to weight.

 

[REDC]

I'll stick to my guns and say the shoulder was the issue in this fight. It's a shame if we don't see a rematch

Loma himself said he had difficulties closing he gap because of Teo's reach, so even if his shoulder bothered him it wasn't the only reason.
Plus when Loma really did let his hands go he was hitting Teo beautifully.

 

[steviebruno]

Commit suicide.

Show me highlights of him taking a half-step back and countering, full torque, off of pure reflexes. All of his work is on the inside, using deceptive angles to confuse his opponent. He's fast, but not fast twitch. Watch Floyd vs. Canelo for an example of what I mean. Teo was more twitchy than he was and wouldn't let him get off.

His volume swarming style is perfect for the amateur game... pro game, not so much. I'd been saying it all along; it's not like I'm hating just because he lost.

 

[steviebruno]

It could be both though?

I think he is on the slide because he's looked jaded for a while now and he's been picking up a lot of injuries. These long amateur careers can really take it out of fighters.

But, he also has limitations like any fighter, and there are tough fights for him at 135. Might be they are just too big and too good for him.

His next few fights will tell us a lot.

That's why I said that he can still prove himself to be a GOAT level fighter. He's giving up a little size at 135, but not so much that he can't get the job done.