I presume all you fanboys assume this is a genuine offer. It is clear to me that this is just another PR stunt as he know AJ isn't in a place to accept the fight and even if AJ was crazy enough to accept, the terms would be beyond awful. I doubt AJ or EH will even respond as it's such transparent trolling it's unreal. But what can you expect from that POS....
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Well, while I don't accept your premise, lets say you are right, firstly isn't EH risking his relationship with AJ by stymying his last (albeit very long shot ) chance at a world title? Also Eddie must be pretty confident DAZN will be happy with the dismal revenue that AJ vs Tomato A/B/C will generate compared with the big bucks they would receive from the Fury fight?
I would understand EH protecting his golden goose if he was a golden goose but that ship has sailed for certain 6 weeks ago, he is at best a bronze goose so it seems weird to try and protect the future value of something that has little more future than a pint of milk that has been left in the sun all day!
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Hearn is conning everyone, including AJ, about how long this contract will take and AJ is not smart enough to see through the sham.
If Hearn has his way and it looks like he will, AJ will fight a couple of top 15 guys and then Whyte. He likely wins all of those and it places him ideally to get another fight the magnitude of this Fury fight.
But if Hearn allows Fury-AJ now it is over. Done. No more milk. No more golden goose. No more money.
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Unquestionably the case. Fury's timing with the offer was perfect because he allowed time for Hearn to go public with what the future held for AJ and it didn't include fights against the very top guys until well into next year. Four fights away to be precise.
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Eddie Hearn is trying to lead us to believe getting this contract signed involves ground breaking, time consuming work.
Eddie, you yourself keep boasting how Fury-AJ was signed previously, only to be scuttled by a Fury-Wilder rematch clause. Didn't you learn anything going through the process the first time? Isn't it, by and large, the same companies involved in this negotiation?
Why is it so hard this time? Is it because you were happy to make the fight then but aren't happy making it now? It sure seems so and you seem to have everyone bluffed including AJ.
Eddie, you yourself keep boasting how Fury-AJ was signed previously, only to be scuttled by a Fury-Wilder rematch clause. Didn't you learn anything going through the process the first time? Isn't it, by and large, the same companies involved in this negotiation?
Why is it so hard this time? Is it because you were happy to make the fight then but aren't happy making it now? It sure seems so and you seem to have everyone bluffed including AJ.
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Well Eddie is the best hype man. in the business.
With three stylistically easy fights and back to back wins by knockout. Eddie will be telling people that a new improved AJ has emerged he is a killer and the second coming of Sonny Liston, George Foreman, Earnie Shavers , Mike Tyson combined.
He will also tell people the real reason for AJ’s sub par performances in recent years was due to AJ having a longstanding injury. But how that’s been resolved AJ is now the most destructive fighter in the Heavyweight division. Perhaps in the history of the Heavyweight division.
I also don’t see how you believe this will be AJ’s final and only opportunity at a title. Plenty of fighters with name recognition have received title shots when they were way past prime. Sometimes more then once.
AJ is still amongst the most marketable fighters in the sport. With huge fan base of casuals.
If Eddie can convince people to keeping buying ppv’s featuring a glorified and past prime journeyman in Derek Chisora he will have no problem re-inventing and selling AJ.
Hmm it seems pretty risky to me, given the size of AJ's entourage and the other opinions he gets I would be surprised if he would be as easily duped but I guess it is possible.
I think it is fairytales that AJ ever gets this chance again even if he can beat three top 15 guys including Whyte (Which lets face it given recent performances isn't a given anyway). That will almost certainly take us into 2024 and likely Fury will be retired after having beaten Usyk either in 1 or 2 fights. I suspect Usyk will likely be retired by then too given his age. That leaves likely a Joyce fight (who seems to most likely to inherit the crown) which might have some value domestically but wont have anywhere near the financial appeal.
I still disagree that EH is trying to kill this but if he is it seems short-sighted as both the opportunities for making money and what is left of AJ's career seem to be much less lucrative trying to prolong it and hope for a World Title in 18 months time. If you are right EH is gambling alot on his ability to sell snake oil to fans for a prolonged period, on Sky he might have had a chance to sell PPV's of AJ vs unknown boxer to casuals but on DAZN that's gonna be staggeringly hard.
That is true but even for him this is a stretch, I haven't seen anything that indicates AJ could even attempt that kind of performance post Ruiz, if he still had it I believe he would have beaten Usyk.
Plus losing twice to Usyk and never fighting Fury, under circumstances which Fury and his large sheep following will rightly or wrongly characterise as cowardice wont be easily forgotten by casuals let alone hard core fans. EH could very easily lose a lot of credibility trying to sell the emperor's new clothes after the realisation there was nothing there!
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Well will have to wait and see how things pan out.
Mean while If Fury fight does not happen It would be interesting to see how Eddie Hearn wriggles out of Joe Joyce’s offer to step in. Eddie Hearn is going to damage AJ’s credibility before he has a chance to step in the ring again. One fight not getting made might be excused and blamed on Fury’s theatrics by the fans but a second one against Joyce...fans are not going to buy that.
Here’s Joyce. Old Fish eyes Frank Warren is making some gangster moves and not giving Eddie room to manoeuvre lol.
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The riskiest move is to fight Fury and that's the one Hearn is doing his best to sabotage. He fights Fury and it is over and Hearn knows that, even if AJ doesn't.
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The second riskiest move is to fight Joe Joyce. Frank Warren is giving Eddie Hearn a taste of his own medicine lol.
To give some examples back in 2015 Hearn engaged in negotiations with Amir Khan publicly offered him £10 million to fight Brook. So Khan hired Gareth Davies one of the best contract lawyers in the business to negotiate for him. Eddie then presented a narrative to the media that Khan had priced himself out. Khan went on to fight Canelo. Khan responded that far from having priced himself out he had only asked for the 10 million Eddie had promised and Eddie. had pulled a switch and bait was trying to lie ball him by offering 8 million instead . When questioned by the Daily Mail Eddie said I meant 10 million dollars not pounds. Lol. Anyways the narrative that Eddie sold backed by the Sky Sports hype machine stuck with Khan.
Then in the same year Eddie offered the GGG fight to Eubank jr he offered 2 million. Eubanks asked for 4 million hoping to meet in the middle and get 3 million. Eddie pulled another bait and switch signed Brook for the fight. And sold the narrative that Eubank jr was ducking the fight.
Then during negotiations for Wilder vs AJ he sold the narrative that Wilder turned down $ 100 million deal. Team Wilder refuted that but the narrative stuck.
Looks like Karma has now struck... He invented the play and now he is getting played.
Well it doesn't help and I guess it seems everyone now wants to try and get the win over AJ before it has lost all of it's value entirely. I'd presume EH would say (understandably in my opinion) making a December fight starting negotiations in October as too late a call, especially given despite the slight thawing they still don't have a good relationship with Queensbury.
I don't see it, there is zero risk fighting a fight almost 100% of the audience think you would lose, his status doesn't move a jot losing to Fury as that is where everyone outside of EH and AJ think it is anyway and you can make £30m+ from it. If EH can sell snake oil about AJ's future I'm sure he can do either way and if he can't at least AJ would have a nice retirement payment.
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Hearn said he would keep quiet during the Fury-AJ negotiations and avoid participating in a public debate over it. But as usual he broke his word and has been as public as anyone else, even to the point of criticizing Fury's alternative opponents and nominating who Fury should fight if Fury-AJ isn't made.
Hearn is the one who bought Joyce's name into the conversation. Now he will wish he hadn't.
Well maybe he shouldn't have said he would be quiet as lets face it that's not EH. As for criticizing the alternatives, that seems pretty fair given both the names are way below the level that Fury should be even considering and AJ never faced anyone as weak as either of those guys during his reign.
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He is the first promoter to develop the strategy of negotiating via the media. From the word go .And rather successfully portraying the other side as being unreasonable.
Whilst before he came along promoters would blame the rival promoter...What I have found unpalatable is how his behaviour has encouraged his sycophants to go on the attack against rival fighters he has been negotiating with via social media sometimes with the most vile abuse. And when he has questioned about this he has dismissed it as banter.
Looks like he is going to get plenty of “banter” this time round if he tries to duck both Fury and Joyce.
Yeah very stupid of him to bring Joyce’s name into the mix and ask Fury to fight him.
Looks like Frank Warren being an OG has played the reverse card and asked Joyce to call out AJ instead.
Now Eddies stuck either he gets AJ one of these two or he makes himself and AJ look like complete plonkers.
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Part of the reason for the roadblock here is Hearn's ego. Hearn isn't used to somebody else calling the shots that's why he kept repeating 'they wouldn't let us negotiate, it was just take it or leave it.'
Hearn keeps wanting to take charge here but there is no room for that. Yes he has to submit but to terms so generous nobody else even saw them coming. If they had have been less generous terms Hearn could have just feinted outrage and ignored them but they were good enough to get AJ's interest and that's where things started to get uncomfortable for Hearn.
Can Hearn just outlast everyone else, pretending it is just too hard to sign off on? Or does AJ wise up and tell Hearn to get it done or he will get someone in who can? I guess it comes down to how bad AJ wants the fight. One thing seems certain, if Hearn is left to his own devices the fight won't happen.
Hearn keeps wanting to take charge here but there is no room for that. Yes he has to submit but to terms so generous nobody else even saw them coming. If they had have been less generous terms Hearn could have just feinted outrage and ignored them but they were good enough to get AJ's interest and that's where things started to get uncomfortable for Hearn.
Can Hearn just outlast everyone else, pretending it is just too hard to sign off on? Or does AJ wise up and tell Hearn to get it done or he will get someone in who can? I guess it comes down to how bad AJ wants the fight. One thing seems certain, if Hearn is left to his own devices the fight won't happen.
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"Are you ever fucking honest?" - Lou DiBella, on behalf of Jean Pascal after Hearn forced the collapse of the Pascal-Buatsi fight.
It's a question I think we are all entitled to ponder.
It's a question I think we are all entitled to ponder.
It's really down to who does a better job at selling the reason for it falling through. Given the public's generally gullibility to Fury's BS I'm guessing that they will probably believe him more than EH but will be interesting to see. Fury/Queensberry are in the box seat here they could just not call it off and say it's fine to sign in November and just Fury get in camp and then if you are right and EH is sabotaging it he will have to call it off and it will be obvious. If Fury/Queensbury call it off this week, then it's much easier for EH to say they didn't give it enough time to sort out the commercial issues which to be frank is a fair claim, even if he is using that as smokescreen for other motivations.
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