[Ar558a]

I am the only one in this forum who picked AJ to win. Also have never been a fan of Tyson Fury.

Fact is AJ should have won he is the bigger stronger guy. Usyk a great Cruiserweight but not an all time great Heavyweight.

I think so. I wanted AJ to win but I disagree about Usyk, he has more skill than anyone I have ever seen at HW, more movement, more accuracy he is the complete package.
I'm sure he will reign as champ as long as he wants and prove that he is best of this generation and not that overhyped charlatan Fury.

 

[Dynamito]

I think so. I wanted AJ to win but I disagree about Usyk, he has more skill than anyone I have ever seen at HW, more movement, more accuracy he is the complete package.
I'm sure he will reign as champ as long as he wants and prove that he is best of this generation and not that overhyped charlatan Fury.

They guy is emotional as he has just seen his life's work go up in smoke, you lot really are pieces of shit. Picking on people who have a million times more qualities than you, a great fighter lost to an all time great fighter so you sitting there in front of a TV spouting off despite the only thing you have ever done is wank over Fury constantly is beyond hypocritical.

I cannot visualise Usyk beating the likes Lennox Lewis a Holyfield Tyson or Riddick Bowe. Usyk is a solid fighter technically but nothing he does has a wow factor you dont see anything mesmerising like watching a sugar Ray Leonard a Pernell Whittaker a prime Roy Jones jr and he is very much beatable at Heavyweight.

You have probably not seen a better technical fighter at Heavyweight because you are most likely started following boxing recently and in one of the weakest eras of the Heavyweight division. My memory in the sport of boxing stretches back 40 years.

 

[Ar558a]

I cannot visualise Usyk beating the likes Lennox Lewis a Holyfield Tyson or Riddick Bowe. Usyk is a solid fighter technically but nothing he does has a wow factor you dont see anything mesmerising like watching a sugar Ray Leonard a Pernell Whittaker a prime Roy Jones jr and he is very much beatable at Heavyweight.

You have probably not seen a better technical fighter at Heavyweight because you are most likely started following boxing recently and in one of the weakest eras of the Heavyweight division. My memory in the sport of boxing stretches back 40 years.

Hmm I have watched a lot of old fights on YT and there are very few who could live with him. Peak Tyson probably could of beaten him as he was probably the most unstoppable force there has been in boxing full stop, maybe Lennox at his peak but even then I think it would be a struggle with that level of movement for the really big guys to keep up with for 12 rounds. The reality is though he only has to beat current fighters and I don't see anything out there that anyone has that can stop him ruling the division now. Also you have to remember, in every sport, todays competitors are better than those historically due to technological advances, training, nutrition etc plus the pool of talent you have to fight through even to get to amateur area, region and national champion is way harder as they have access to all those same benefits. Lots of old fighters (and sportsman) who are talented look better than they are because the competition just wasn't as strong.

 

[Philly Shell]

They guy is emotional as he has just seen his life's work go up in smoke, you lot really are pieces of shit. Picking on people who have a million times more qualities than you, a great fighter lost to an all time great fighter so you sitting there in front of a TV spouting off despite the only thing you have ever done is wank over Fury constantly is beyond hypocritical.

Get yourself some professional help.

 

[Dynamito]

Hmm I have watched a lot of old fights on YT and there are very few who could live with him. Peak Tyson probably could of beaten him as he was probably the most unstoppable force there has been in boxing full stop, maybe Lennox at his peak but even then I think it would be a struggle with that level of movement for the really big guys to keep up with for 12 rounds. The reality is though he only has to beat current fighters and I don't see anything out there that anyone has that can stop him ruling the division now. Also you have to remember, in every sport, todays competitors are better than those historically due to technological advances, training, nutrition etc plus the pool of talent you have to fight through even to get to amateur area, region and national champion is way harder as they have access to all those same benefits. Lots of old fighters (and sportsman) who are talented look better than they are because the competition just wasn't as strong.

Let me put it this way. You know like in Martial Arts they have grandmasters the fighters from the 70s to the 90s were trained by grandmasters.
These boys at the time learnt boxing from some of the greatest and legendary coaches that existed in that era....Eddie Futch, Angelo Dundee, Cus D Amato, Ray Arcel , Freddie Brown, Victor Valle, Ritchie Giachetti, Don Turner, Bill Miller, Jesse Reid, George Benton, Manny Steward, Bill Miller, Luther Burgess, Adrian Davis, Willy Mouzon and Slim Jim Robinson And so on and so forth.

These guys learnt skills right from the amateurs, on how to block, Parry and roll with punches, catch, trap. Counter, bob and weave etc.

Every neighbourhood had a boxing gym with a veteran boxing coach.

Now adays we got fitness guys masquerading as boxing coaches who dont even know what the words pivot or parry mean. The legendary coaches with decades of lineage and knowledge all died off.

 

[46 Wins]

I am the only one in this forum who picked AJ to win. Also have never been a fan of Tyson Fury.

And @gumbo2176, he picked him to win too

 

[Gareth]

Why AJ thought we needed to hear this, I don't know :

"I adapted, I made the change that I needed to give him more of a competitor. It wasn't enough but I left everything in the gym," he added.

"If I would have left everything in the ring I would have won."

For a guy who tries to pass himself off as someone who doesn't make excuses, he makes plenty.

 

[steviebruno]

I think so. I wanted AJ to win but I disagree about Usyk, he has more skill than anyone I have ever seen at HW, more movement, more accuracy he is the complete package.

 

[Ar558a]

Why AJ thought we needed to hear this, I don't know :

"I adapted, I made the change that I needed to give him more of a competitor. It wasn't enough but I left everything in the gym," he added.

"If I would have left everything in the ring I would have won."

For a guy who tries to pass himself off as someone who doesn't make excuses, he makes plenty.

What kind of perverse pleasure you take from pissing on a guy when he is down I don't know but it really shows what kind of person you are.

 

[Dynamito]

What kind of perverse pleasure you take from pissing on a guy when he is down I don't know but it really shows what kind of person you are.
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What kind of perverse pleasure you take from pissing on a guy when he is down I don't know but it really shows what kind of person you are.

Let’s look at the facts AJ has a backroom staff of 22 or so people. He has people as Eddie Hearn put it to cater for every need. Like a professional sports team he has every base covered. From dieticians, to psychotherapists, massage therapists, physiotherapists, Chiropractors, osteopaths, etc.

Not to mention the coaching staff. For him to still lose to a Cruiserweight twice. Is embarrassing.

AJ had no business losing to USYK. Forget about Lennox Lewis I would expect most of Lennox Lewis’s last 14 opponents to give Usyk a tough effort.
Hell even Chisora with his limited size and skill set in comparison to AJ gave USYK a tougher fight.

Beating a far smaller technical fighter is not rocket science. Just go forward keep the pressure on and let them hands go. Be relentless.

Watch how easily Fury deals with USYK.

 

[Ar558a]

Let’s look at the facts AJ has a backroom staff of 22 or so people. He has people as Eddie Hearn put it to cater for every need. Like a professional sports team he has every base covered. From dieticians, to psychotherapists, massage therapists, physiotherapists, Chiropractors, osteopaths, etc.

Not to mention the coaching staff. For him to still lose to a Cruiserweight twice. Is embarrassing.

AJ had no business losing to USYK. Forget about Lennox Lewis I would expect most of Lennox Lewis’s last 14 opponents to give Usyk a tough effort.
Hell even Chisora with his limited size and skill set in comparison to AJ gave USYK a tougher fight.

Beating a far smaller technical fighter is not rocket science. Just go forward keep the pressure on and let them hands go. Be relentless.

Watch how easily Fury deals with USYK.

The reality is AJ as he said in the ring last night started at 18 not as a kid, he has done a great job from where he started but ultimately losing more than 10 years of amateur experience to Usyk was too much when you are fighting someone with all that extra experience and skill.

The rest of this is just AJ bashing, you don't like the guy so you have to tear down what achievements he has, OK he isn't good enough to beat Usyk but it isn't embarrassing, Usyk is a P4P great fighter, a two weight unified champ. Chisora didn't give Usyk a harder fight than last night (maybe the first fight), AJ trained hard and did his best, clearly what happened against Ruiz robbed him of the ability to surge forward and crush people as he did earlier and maybe that version of AJ would have had more of a chance.

Fury hasn't fought anyone one tenth as good as Usyk (Except WK who wasnt WK wasn't himself in that fight) so we have no idea whether he can cope with Usyk or not, of course everyone here who believes the hype thinks "he will destroy Usyk because Usyk has only beaten AJ and AJ would lose to a three month old" but in the real world he is going to have to go to places he hasn't even approached before to win that and I'm thing there is still a good chance the fight doesn't happen.

 

[Dynamito]

The reality is AJ as he said in the ring last night started at 18 not as a kid, he has done a great job from where he started but ultimately losing more than 10 years of amateur experience to Usyk was too much when you are fighting someone with all that extra experience and skill.

The rest of this is just AJ bashing, you don't like the guy so you have to tear down what achievements he has, OK he isn't good enough to beat Usyk but it isn't embarrassing, Usyk is a P4P great fighter, a two weight unified champ. Chisora didn't give Usyk a harder fight than last night (maybe the first fight), AJ trained hard and did his best, clearly what happened against Ruiz robbed him of the ability to surge forward and crush people as he did earlier and maybe that version of AJ would have had more of a chance.

Fury hasn't fought anyone one tenth as good as Usyk (Except WK who wasnt WK wasn't himself in that fight) so we have no idea whether he can cope with Usyk or not, of course everyone here who believes the hype thinks "he will destroy Usyk because Usyk has only beaten AJ and AJ would lose to a three month old" but in the real world he is going to have to go to places he hasn't even approached before to win that and I'm thing there is still a good chance the fight doesn't happen.

I think you need to get over this thought process of any criticism of AJ is based on dislike and hatred of him. I may have based my opinions on likes and dislikes when I was a teenager.

But in my middle age just giving my unbiased opinion. As far as liking only fighter in boxing today I admire is Terence Crawford. Rest I am just neutral.

As far as giving credit to AJ, I respect the fact he is meticulous in his preparation. I respect his professionalism even when he does not have a fight lined up he is not out partying but still spending time in the gym staying in shape. I respect the fact that when is in training camp he has old school work ethic, that even in the age of social media he tries to be as focused as possible. For example whilst training for his rematch with Ruiz jr, he mentioned his entire focus in camp was boxing zero distractions, even during the rest periods he was watching boxing fights, boxing documentaries and reading boxing articles. I also respect the fact he is a guy who is willing and seeking to learn and address his flaws. He is a consumate professional. I am sure he gets invited to every A List celeb party and movie premiere going but you don’t see him attending those. He does not go wild in the nightclubs and discotheques.

Most boxers could learn from his professionalism as an athlete.

Most boxers could also learn from his professionalism as a businessman. Seen many boxers earn millions and end up destitute. You don’t see going wild with sending sprees on cars and jewellery and clothes. He is financially very savvy he saw what the Klitchskos did and took things to the next level from a business perspective. Most boxers would do well by learning from his example as far as that goes as well.

But as far as my opinion on his losses to Usyk goes I fully stand by them. There is no way as a top level heavyweight he should have lost to Usyk. AJ as far as I am concerned these days lacks , that willingness to dig deep and do whatever it takes in the fight to come out victorious he did display it in his fight the Klitchsko. But that determination is no longer there.

Maybe all that wealth and success has dampened his hunger, or it’s the Ruiz jr loss that has permanently affected him emotionally.

He should’ve beat Usyk. I think his meltdown at the end of the fight was frustration with himself. He knew he had more left in the tank. But did not fully commit and put every ounce effort to either win or get knocked out trying.

 

[46 Wins]

Why AJ thought we needed to hear this, I don't know :

"I adapted, I made the change that I needed to give him more of a competitor. It wasn't enough but I left everything in the gym," he added.

"If I would have left everything in the ring I would have won."

For a guy who tries to pass himself off as someone who doesn't make excuses, he makes plenty.

So the natural follow up question then is "WHY DIDN'T YOU?" You knew that this time there was no rematch clause, that he beat you on points before in a UD and that the consensus was you couldn't outbox him so you had no choice but to leave it all in the ring if you had any chance of regaining the titles but now after the fight you're saying that you didn't do that, WHY TF NOT?

 

[Dynamito]

So the natural follow up question then is "WHY DIDN'T YOU?" You knew that this time there was no rematch clause, that he beat you on points before in a UD and that the consensus was you couldn't outbox him so you had no choice but to leave it all in the ring if you had any chance of regaining the titles but n ow after the fight you're saying that you didn't do that, WHY TF NOT?
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So the natural follow up question then is "WHY DIDN'T YOU?" You knew that this time there was no rematch clause, that he beat you on points before in a UD and that the consensus was you couldn't outbox him so you had no choice but to leave it all in the ring if you had any chance of regaining the titles but now after the fight you're saying that you didn't do that, WHY TF NOT?

What it feels like to have anxiety and depression
A suffocating feeling of dread
“It’s a suffocating feeling of dread and foreboding that affects you physically as well as mentally,” said 30-year-old Londoner Chloe Brotheridge, who suffered with anxiety and panic attacks from the ages of 15 to 24 and has now written a book, The Anxiety Solution: A Quieter Mind, a Calmer You.


“It can feel like it's hard to breathe and your heart might be racing even though you're just sitting at your desk. It can be very isolating when loved ones don't understand or tell you to snap out of it or pull yourself together,” she explained to The Independent.

 

[Dynamito]

What it feels like to have anxiety and depression
A suffocating feeling of dread
“It’s a suffocating feeling of dread and foreboding that affects you physically as well as mentally,” said 30-year-old Londoner Chloe Brotheridge, who suffered with anxiety and panic attacks from the ages of 15 to 24 and has now written a book, The Anxiety Solution: A Quieter Mind, a Calmer You.


“It can feel like it's hard to breathe and your heart might be racing even though you're just sitting at your desk. It can be very isolating when loved ones don't understand or tell you to snap out of it or pull yourself together,” she explained to The Independent.

The variant of anxiety that affects athletes is called sports performance anxiety. Healthline.com have a good article on it. Person knows what they should be doing but are unable to do it.

 

[Philly Shell]

I think you need to get over this thought process of any criticism of AJ is based on dislike and hatred of him.

Amen.

 

[Philly Shell]

AJ took out his frustrations on Lomachenko too :

Anthony Joshua fumes at Vasyl Lomachenko’s attempts to console him after defeat to Oleksandr Usyk

Joshua lost the rematch against Usyk on Saturday night.

www.sportbible.com

So Lomachenko told AJ 'how well he fought and that he gave his heart' and in response AJ shouted "F*** that s***, good boxing has to win. F**K this s**t.”

 

[Ar558a]

I think you need to get over this thought process of any criticism of AJ is based on dislike and hatred of him. I may have based my opinions on likes and dislikes when I was a teenager.

But in my middle age just giving my unbiased opinion. As far as liking only fighter in boxing today I admire is Terence Crawford. Rest I am just neutral.

As far as giving credit to AJ, I respect the fact he is meticulous in his preparation. I respect his professionalism even when he does not have a fight lined up he is not out partying but still spending time in the gym staying in shape. I respect the fact that when is in training camp he has old school work ethic, that even in the age of social media he tries to be as focused as possible. For example whilst training for his rematch with Ruiz jr, he mentioned his entire focus in camp was boxing zero distractions, even during the rest periods he was watching boxing fights, boxing documentaries and reading boxing articles. I also respect the fact he is a guy who is willing and seeking to learn and address his flaws. He is a consumate professional. I am sure he gets invited to every A List celeb party and movie premiere going but you don’t see him attending those. He does not go wild in the nightclubs and discotheques.

Most boxers could learn from his professionalism as an athlete.

Most boxers could also learn from his professionalism as a businessman. Seen many boxers earn millions and end up destitute. You don’t see going wild with sending sprees on cars and jewellery and clothes. He is financially very savvy he saw what the Klitchskos did and took things to the next level from a business perspective. Most boxers would do well by learning from his example as far as that goes as well.

But as far as my opinion on his losses to Usyk goes I fully stand by them. There is no way as a top level heavyweight he should have lost to Usyk. AJ as far as I am concerned these days lacks , that willingness to dig deep and do whatever it takes in the fight to come out victorious he did display it in his fight the Klitchsko. But that determination is no longer there.

Maybe all that wealth and success has dampened his hunger, or it’s the Ruiz jr loss that has permanently affected him emotionally.

He should’ve beat Usyk. I think his meltdown at the end of the fight was frustration with himself. He knew he had more left in the tank. But did not fully commit and put every ounce effort to either win or get knocked out trying.

Firstly I apologise if I reacted too harshly, there are many on this site who make it there life's work just to belittle me because I disagree with them and that has may have led me to overreact in this case.

I appreciate you expressing the positive qualities that Joshua has shown, many of these are the reasons why I hold him in such high regard along with the enjoyment I got from watching his rise from fresh professional to unified champion.

While I disagree that Usyk is as easy to beat by top heavyweights as you suggest, I do except that since the Ruiz loss Joshua has lost the ability to fully commit in the way he had before and that tactic was the most likely to lead him to defeating Usyk. As I said before the fight, I knew that he may regret if was unable to go for broke as I believed he would need to and now he is destined for a second career as an ex-champion (which personally I don't expect to last long as the motivation will wane pretty quickly) he will have a long time to rue why he couldn't overcome that mental hurdle. I hope if he does continue as he seems to insist that he will he doesn't tarnish with further losses to lesser fighters.

 

[Philly Shell]

"I don't know. You would have to ask my supervisor."

OMG! How long since you had your glasses prescription checked, Glenn?

 

[Big Yank Bal]

I and many others on here have been saying for years that AJ is a fraud. He was a good fighter but not a great fighter. He ducked the 2 best of his era in Fury and Wilder, lost twice to a blown up cruiserweight and got KO'd by fat boy Ruiz, all while he was in his prime years. He still is in his prime years. He also has lost 3 of his last 5 fights.

If AJ had fought Fury or Wilder, he would have been KO'd within the first 8 rounds or sooner against either fighter.